Ketogenic diets and high energy output needs

Chad C.

Registered User

Ketogenic diets and high energy output needs

2004-04-22 10:49:30 AM
Hi there,
I've asked this question before in various flavors but now I have a
refinement, a tangent curiosity. I'm eating a high fat, moderate protein,
super low (Atkins Induction level) carbohydrate diet. I am able to do the
treadmill just fine for my standard 36-42 minutes (depending on the movie
I'm watching :)), at 4.3mph (6.9km/hr) and 3 degrees incline. I do this for
mental health benefits and of course the long-term physical effects. One
thing I wish to avoid however is muscle catabolization. I am running a
caloric deficit at the moment, and I've heard it's inescapable that you will
lose muscle in such a scenario. I am 24 years old, in fairly good physical
condition (I think), only very slightly overweight (12% bodyfat). My
probably wrong and grotesquely-simplified theory is thus: I know glycogen
can provide a very quick release of energy for physical exertion. Can
lipolysis-ketosis come very close? Will it attempt to keep up to the body's
needs of energy by burning more fat, or will it resort to supplementing with
burning protein as well? Will this protein come from dietary sources, or
muscle tissue, or both? Can this effect be ameliorated in a ketogenic diet,
or is it even a problem? Etc.
Thanks folks,
-Chad
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Dylan Dog

Registered User

2004-04-24 03:51:36 AM

Re:Ketogenic diets and high energy output needs

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I am 24 years old, in fairly good physical
condition (I think), only very slightly overweight (12% bodyfat).
Chad, you need some serious help. 12% BF and slightly overweight!?!? Are you

going to Mister America contest, or do you have any kind of photo session?
If that's the case, I agree with you - keep your BF level about 7-8% + take
some diuretics and you will look great for the event. In any other case you
are exaggerating. 12% bf is great for male of your age.

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My probably wrong and grotesquely-simplified theory is thus: I know
glycogen
can provide a very quick release of energy for physical exertion. Can
lipolysis-ketosis come very close? Will it attempt to keep up to the
body's
needs of energy by burning more fat, or will it resort to supplementing
with
burning protein as well? Will this protein come from dietary sources, or
muscle tissue, or both? Can this effect be ameliorated in a ketogenic
diet,
or is it even a problem? Etc.
I'm in the exact same situation like you (max 20 carbs per day, lots of

protein and fat, something like Atkins starting faze ), so I'll try to
answer:
Lipolysis-ketosis come very, very close. In theory it will burn only fat.
However, I can guarantee you that it will burn some of the muscle tissue
too. Atkins claims different, but I measured my body structure (with some
kind of machine my nutritionist has - you get how much muscle tissue, water
and fat you have) and I had less muscle tissue. Not much but it was gone.
How did I stopped it? Good old whey protein solved my problem. But carb
restricted of course. (2g per portion) It is proven, that it stops
catabolism. Now I am melting fat without muscle loss, and it feels great.
Hope I helped. Cheers. :)
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Chad C.

Registered User

2004-04-24 03:57:29 AM

Re:Ketogenic diets and high energy output needs

Hi Dylan,
Where do you find whey protein? Yes, I have a photosession coming up. :)
-Chad
"Dylan Dog" <dylandog@infosky.net>wrote in message

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>I am 24 years old, in fairly good physical
>condition (I think), only very slightly overweight (12% bodyfat).

Chad, you need some serious help. 12% BF and slightly overweight!?!? Are
you
going to Mister America contest, or do you have any kind of photo session?
If that's the case, I agree with you - keep your BF level about 7-8% +
take
some diuretics and you will look great for the event. In any other case
you
are exaggerating. 12% bf is great for male of your age.

>My probably wrong and grotesquely-simplified theory is thus: I know
glycogen
>can provide a very quick release of energy for physical exertion. Can
>lipolysis-ketosis come very close? Will it attempt to keep up to the
body's
>needs of energy by burning more fat, or will it resort to supplementing
with
>burning protein as well? Will this protein come from dietary sources, or
>muscle tissue, or both? Can this effect be ameliorated in a ketogenic
diet,
>or is it even a problem? Etc.

I'm in the exact same situation like you (max 20 carbs per day, lots of
protein and fat, something like Atkins starting faze ), so I'll try to
answer:
Lipolysis-ketosis come very, very close. In theory it will burn only fat.
However, I can guarantee you that it will burn some of the muscle tissue
too. Atkins claims different, but I measured my body structure (with some
kind of machine my nutritionist has - you get how much muscle tissue,
water
and fat you have) and I had less muscle tissue. Not much but it was gone.
How did I stopped it? Good old whey protein solved my problem. But carb
restricted of course. (2g per portion) It is proven, that it stops
catabolism. Now I am melting fat without muscle loss, and it feels great.

Hope I helped. Cheers. :)

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Dylan Dog

Registered User

2004-04-24 08:27:26 PM

Re:Ketogenic diets and high energy output needs

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Hi Dylan,

Where do you find whey protein? Yes, I have a photosession coming up. :)

-Chad
Oh, that's totally different thing. I suppose you know how to get lean for

photo session? 7% body fat + one week before session start using some mild
diuretic (Aldactone is my favorite) works fantastic for me. If you need any
thorough info let me now.
As for whey, I find it in Vitamin Shop near my house. I'm not from USA, so
I suppose I can't help you with that. Anyway, you can always order it from
www.bodybuilding.com , discount-body-building-supplements.com/ , or
www.puritan.com .
Also I can recommend some of the whey proteins I drink and like, if you
want?
DD
P.S. Answer me by e-mail, not group.
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