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WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

2004-04-19 07:55:06 PM
I've often heard that the diet given to civilians during WW2 was one
the best. As a nation, civilians were suppose to be the healthiest
they'v ever been.
If everyone ate the way they use to do during WW2 would we become
healthier?
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

"gareth" <garethsouthgate@mail.com>wrote in message
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I've often heard that the diet given to civilians during WW2 was one
the best. As a nation, civilians were suppose to be the healthiest
they'v ever been.

If everyone ate the way they use to do during WW2 would we become
healthier?
In Britain, the diet upon which millions of the poorer people depended
before WWII was very inadequate. At the time of the General Strike, for
example, the working class often had to live on a basic selection of bread,
lard, potatoes and tea. Once WWII started, however, such national policies
as the giving over of land for use as so-called 'victory gardens' and
allotments, plus a more equitable distribution of what food there was thanks
to the policy of 'rationing', meant that a lot of people were eating
significantly better, and quite a few people were no longer eating too much.
My own shy suggestion is that 'if everyone ate the way they did during
WWII', a significant number of people - those who currently subsist on
crisps, coke, fries and burgers etc - would become healthier. But an equally
significant number of other people with more sensible diets probably
wouldn't.
E.G.
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

Weren't sugar, coffee, chocolate, butter, etc rationed? And ... "Reach for
a Lucky instead of a sweet!"
Skinny
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:43:25 +0100, E Gardiner wrote:
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"gareth" <garethsouthgate@mail.com>wrote in message
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>I've often heard that the diet given to civilians during WW2 was one
>the best. As a nation, civilians were suppose to be the healthiest
>they'v ever been.
>
>If everyone ate the way they use to do during WW2 would we become
>healthier?

In Britain, the diet upon which millions of the poorer people depended
before WWII was very inadequate. At the time of the General Strike, for
example, the working class often had to live on a basic selection of bread,
lard, potatoes and tea. Once WWII started, however, such national policies
as the giving over of land for use as so-called 'victory gardens' and
allotments, plus a more equitable distribution of what food there was thanks
to the policy of 'rationing', meant that a lot of people were eating
significantly better, and quite a few people were no longer eating too much.

My own shy suggestion is that 'if everyone ate the way they did during
WWII', a significant number of people - those who currently subsist on
crisps, coke, fries and burgers etc - would become healthier. But an equally
significant number of other people with more sensible diets probably
wouldn't.

E.G.
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med nutrition
Physiological impacts of diet

Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

"Skinny" <no@no.com>wrote in message
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Weren't sugar, coffee, chocolate, butter, etc rationed? And ... "Reach for
a Lucky instead of a sweet!"
'Lucky'? It was the *Woodbines* you had to watch out for...!
Re. food rationing, there's some good basic info here:
www.livingarchive.org.uk/nvq03/julia/rationing.html
E.G.
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:21:24 GMT, Skinny <no@no.com>wrote:
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Weren't sugar, coffee, chocolate, butter, etc rationed? And ... "Reach for
a Lucky instead of a sweet!"


Skinny
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And I remember even after the war was over it was very hard to get bacon or ham.
They told us that the armed forces had first dibs.
Ora
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

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My own shy suggestion is that 'if everyone ate the way they did during
WWII', a significant number of people - those who currently subsist on
crisps, coke, fries and burgers etc - would become healthier. But an equally
significant number of other people with more sensible diets probably
wouldn't.

E.G.
Thank you for the post.
Do you think the key to rationing was "not eating too much" and
"eating what you need"?
I read that ration foods were limited in terms of variety. I heard
about vegtable gardens being set up but overall variety seemed to have
been limited.
According to my search, eggs, fat, sugar and meat were limited. I also
read (rather suprisingly) that fruit was limited. I dont know about
apples or berries but on the whole people seem to have got away with
eating less variety of produce. Maybe there wasn't the worry of
chemical fertilizer that you have today but it does seem like people
had less choice of foods. Yet, people were apparently healthy. I dont
quite get this.
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:42:45 +0100, E Gardiner wrote:
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"Skinny" <no@no.com>wrote in message
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>Weren't sugar, coffee, chocolate, butter, etc rationed? And ... "Reach for
>a Lucky instead of a sweet!"

'Lucky'? It was the *Woodbines* you had to watch out for...!

Re. food rationing, there's some good basic info here:
www.livingarchive.org.uk/nvq03/julia/rationing.html
I suppose the facts may be right, but it sounds like it was written by an 8
year old Barbie doll.... Scary to think the firsthand facts and memories
are lost -- such as novels current at the time by Angela Thirkell and
others. Or even the close second-hand memories, by people whose parents had
lived through it.
Skinny
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"gareth" <garethsouthgate@mail.com>wrote in message
Yet, people were apparently healthy. I dont
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quite get this.
What makes you think they were healthy?
-Chad
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

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What makes you think they were healthy?

-Chad
Got this from
www.nutrition.org.uk/information/rationing/wartime.htm
"Many people were better fed during wartime food rationing than before
the war years. Infant mortality rates declined, and the average age at
which people died from natural causes increased"
I am looking for more data.
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

Chad C. writes:
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What makes you think they were healthy?
Very true. Thin != healthy. There are many forms of malnutrition, and
obesity is a separate issue.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

On 19 Apr 2004 04:55:06 -0700, garethsouthgate@mail.com (gareth)
posted:
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I've often heard that the diet given to civilians during WW2 was one
the best. As a nation, civilians were suppose to be the healthiest
they'v ever been.

If everyone ate the way they use to do during WW2 would we become
healthier?
Probably eucaloric, and more exercise involved.
Most problems of affluence come from overeating.
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

On 19 Apr 2004 18:40:43 -0700, garethsouthgate@mail.com (gareth)
posted:
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>My own shy suggestion is that 'if everyone ate the way they did during
>WWII', a significant number of people - those who currently subsist on
>crisps, coke, fries and burgers etc - would become healthier. But an equally
>significant number of other people with more sensible diets probably
>wouldn't.
>
>E.G.

Thank you for the post.

Do you think the key to rationing was "not eating too much" and
"eating what you need"?

I read that ration foods were limited in terms of variety. I heard
about vegtable gardens being set up but overall variety seemed to have
been limited.

According to my search, eggs, fat, sugar and meat were limited. I also
read (rather suprisingly) that fruit was limited. I dont know about
apples or berries but on the whole people seem to have got away with
eating less variety of produce. Maybe there wasn't the worry of
chemical fertilizer that you have today but it does seem like people
had less choice of foods. Yet, people were apparently healthy. I dont
quite get this.
What is this worry with chemical fetilisers?
People were likely healthier (if they actually were) coz they would
have eaten less calories and done more exercise. This can bring a
health improvement in most folks.
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

On 20 Apr 2004 02:40:36 -0700, garethsouthgate@mail.com (gareth) wrote:
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>What makes you think they were healthy?
>
>-Chad

Got this from

www.nutrition.org.uk/information/rationing/wartime.htm

"Many people were better fed during wartime food rationing than before
the war years. Infant mortality rates declined, and the average age at
which people died from natural causes increased"

I am looking for more data.
www.arches.uga.edu/~bmetz/antibi5.gif
Maybe it had something to do with penicillin which was introduced in USA and
England during 1942.
Ora
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

garethsouthgate@mail.com (gareth) writes:
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>My own shy suggestion is that 'if everyone ate the way they did during
>WWII', a significant number of people - those who currently subsist on
>crisps, coke, fries and burgers etc - would become healthier. But an equally
>significant number of other people with more sensible diets probably
>wouldn't.
I read that ration foods were limited in terms of variety. I heard
about vegtable gardens being set up but overall variety seemed to have
been limited.
According to my search, eggs, fat, sugar and meat were limited. I also
read (rather suprisingly) that fruit was limited. I dont know about
apples or berries but on the whole people seem to have got away with
eating less variety of produce. Maybe there wasn't the worry of
chemical fertilizer that you have today but it does seem like people
had less choice of foods. Yet, people were apparently healthy. I dont
quite get this.
Human beings evolved eating local seasonal produce, which in most
parts of the world is pretty limited in variety. Modern supermarket
food varieties depend on greenhouses and shipping food all over the
world. That amount of variety isn't needed to be healthy.
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Skinny <no@no.com>writes:
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:42:45 +0100, E Gardiner wrote:
>Re. food rationing, there's some good basic info here:
>www.livingarchive.org.uk/nvq03/julia/rationing.html
I suppose the facts may be right, but it sounds like it was written by an 8
year old Barbie doll.... Scary to think the firsthand facts and memories
are lost -- such as novels current at the time by Angela Thirkell and
others. Or even the close second-hand memories, by people whose parents had
lived through it.
When do you think WW2 and food rationing took place? I can remember
buying food with ration coupons, and there are still some old WW2
soldiers alive.
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"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>wrote in message
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garethsouthgate@mail.com (gareth) writes:

>>My own shy suggestion is that 'if everyone ate the way they did during
>>WWII', a significant number of people - those who currently subsist on
>>crisps, coke, fries and burgers etc - would become healthier. But an
equally
>>significant number of other people with more sensible diets probably
>>wouldn't.

>I read that ration foods were limited in terms of variety. I heard
>about vegtable gardens being set up but overall variety seemed to have
>been limited.

>According to my search, eggs, fat, sugar and meat were limited. I also
>read (rather suprisingly) that fruit was limited. I dont know about
>apples or berries but on the whole people seem to have got away with
>eating less variety of produce. Maybe there wasn't the worry of
>chemical fertilizer that you have today but it does seem like people
>had less choice of foods. Yet, people were apparently healthy. I dont
>quite get this.

Human beings evolved eating local seasonal produce, which in most
parts of the world is pretty limited in variety. Modern supermarket
food varieties depend on greenhouses and shipping food all over the
world. That amount of variety isn't needed to be healthy.

--
It is helpful though as some locally based diets have
been quite clearly deficient in such nutrients as
Se, I, vitamin D, and vitamin A. Iodine is the
most conventionally accepted problem nutrient.
Hence, the iodine fortification programs found
in various nations.
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Re:WW2 ration diet, is this the best?

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>I've often heard that the diet given to civilians during WW2 was one
>the best. As a nation, civilians were suppose to be the healthiest
>they'v ever been.
>
>If everyone ate the way they use to do during WW2 would we become
>healthier?

Probably eucaloric, and more exercise involved.
Most problems of affluence come from overeating.
What do you mean by more exercise. If you have less to eat, wouldnt
you be doing less exercise. I guess though, they would have been doing
more house work. They probably would have taken more time to do house
work and less driving as well.
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